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An
Interview with Khenpo Chodrak Rinpoche
#3
19.04.1997
Q:
In the Vajrayana practice, we speak of this Guru-disciple
relationship. Can Rinpoche elaborate on this relationship
?
KR: For there to be a relationship, the lama must be authentic
to begin with. Both the teacher and the student, for them
to have a proper relationship should have appreciation of
one another. The student should regard as his child. The
teacher should be concerned with making efforts for the
sake of making it possible for the student to free himself
of samsara.
And the student should regard the teacher as somneone who
acts for the sake of freeing him from samsara. It's important
to remember, be mindful of and practice the instruction
s that give you the possibilities to attain freedom from
samsara. Nowadays, it's very often the case that a teacher
establishes connections with people whom he calls his students,
for the sake of obtaining influence, wealth and so on and
there are many Buddhists students who refer themselves as
the disciples of a certain lama but who in fact use the
lama for their personal purposes.
Q:
Is a Root Guru necessarily an ordained person? Can a layperson
become one's Root Guru ?
KR: Why not. Marpa and Milarepa are not ordained.
Q:
What is the quality of a Root Guru that the disciple should
look for and what is the quality of a disciple the Guru
should look for ?
KR: It's difficult to make a general statement because it
depends on what type of guru you're talking about. Whether
it's Guru in the Theravada tradition, the Mahayana or the
Tantra tradition. Thus also if one looks at the characteristics
of a student, then it depends on what practice the student
is doing. There is nothing general. There are different
types of spiritual friends. There are teachers and spiritual
friends who are quite ordinary, then there are teachers
and spiritual friends who are bodhisattvas on any of the
bhumis. In brief, the Guru must have a profound knowledge
and understanding of the teachings he expounds.
The Guru's behaviour must accord with the teaching he gives.
His conduct should be in accordance with the advice he gives
to students. Also he must teach because he wants to free
the students from samsara. There should be no other motives
to his teachings. In The Jewel Ornament of Liberation, we
find a chapter devoted to explaining the qualities of a
spiritual friend. In that text one can find a more extensive
explanation. And the student must have trust and confidence
and who is capable of making efforts in his practice.
Q:
What are Samaya vows ?
KR: Samaya, to begin with, is a particular feature of the
Buddhist tantras. It is not applicable to all Buddhist schools
of thoughts. If a practitioner is capable of upholding his
samaya being the various commitments he has made in relation
to a particular tantra that he practices, the effect would
be that he accomplishes and masters those teachings and
he attains realizations. On the other hand if he is not
able to maintain the commitments, he has committed himself
to maintain he will not obtain any result. When one looks
at the Buddhist tantras, in relation to each tantra there
is a great number of different commitments. For there to
be samaya, in terms of a guru and disciple, the guru must
be an authentic guru of the Tantrayana and the disciple
must be a disciple capable of practicing whatever tantras
at hand. Otherwise samaya doesn't happen.
Reciving empowerment is said to be the gateway to the Buddhist
tantrayana and most empowerments are made up of 4 stages.
There are four empowerments that make up an empowerment.
Now each empowerment is associated with a particular perspective
of the true nature of reality. That empowerment is meant
to have the effect that the student, when in the process
of receiving empowerment, has a glimpse of that particular
aspect of the true nature of reality. If that doesn't happen.
Each of the 4 empowerments that make up an empowerments
has samayas or a set of commitments. It's a code of ethics
associated with viewpoint, conduct and meditation. So, it's
quite a few commitments associated with each empowerment.
The student has to be introduced to each and everyone of
these commitments, otherwise how can there be samaya? How
can someone uphold a set of commitments that he doesn't
know? Furthermore, as have been mentioned earlier, for someone
to qualify as a Root Guru, the case must be that as a consequence
of the Guru introducing the student to the true nature of
reality, the student has a short insight or glimpse of Mahamudra.
If that happens, then the lama becomes a Root Guru. Otherwise
not. Also for anyone to be associated with samaya, relating
to a particular aspect of a tantric practice, there are
certain conditions and circumstances that must be fulfilled,
otherwise it doesn't happen.
There is often frequent mentioning of transgressing samayas.
One should be aware of transgressing samayas. One should
be aware of that here as well, it's not as simple it is
often made up to be. Because again, there are certain circumstance
that must come together for that to happen. It doesn't happen
easily.
Receiving teachings and taking refuge and so on make the
person who gives the teaching or the refuge, a teacher,
a lama, a spiritual friend and by no means a Root Guru.
And by no means a guru of the Buddhist tantras. If one asks
the question of whether one should accomplish whatever one
is told to do by this person , the answer is, well, if what
you are asked to do is in accordance with the Buddhist principles,
yes, otherwise, no.
Today we have quite a few lamas who very often tell people
that they have received some samayas ot some sort. If they
don't follow whatever he says, they will end up in Vajra
hell and what nots, this is not true. As was explained,
samaya is not easily obtained and furthermore if one doesn't
know what the commitments are, how can one break them. It's
also not the case that just the student is having samayas.
The Gurus also have samayas to uphold. It's not a one-way
street. Through their combined efforts samaya may be upheld.
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